Oh right because the mining industry, and the solar panel manufacturing industry is being completely honest with you.
Think about the supply chain necessary to build any piece of technology and understand that the dirtiest most criminal economic sectors are telling you that everything is really green.
Who’s worse big oil or big mining?
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce @blogdiva Think about the supply chain to breathe. Think about the supply chain for 10 billion people to exist.
The logical conclusion to your take is Nihilism.
That's all I'm going to say on this subject because I've talked about this and I've been down that road and I know exactly where it leads.
(not to be mean or condescending, I just had this conversation one too many times it feels like)
You’re arguing that because I am pointing out the ecological consequences of what’s called renewables that I’m being a Nihilist?
How exactly are you squaring that circle?
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce @blogdiva .... you're saying "we just need less", which is not possible with a growing population. Even the logistics of food and shelter are unattainable in our current methods.
Again, by all means; reuse, reduce, recycle. That's a great start. But you're not going to triple-R yourself towards a healthy planet. And by dissing renewables you're arguing for the current methods, for consumables, for fossil fuels, etc.
You need triple-R AND renewables, for start.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce @blogdiva and if your instinct here is "we need to shrink the population" you're starting to understand exactly what I mean by nihilism.
Again, no offense. I get the idealism that's behind all this. But the version you picked up is the one that came from the fossil industry, that argues we just need to e.g recycle plastic or whatever. But you're not going to recycle towards sustainable systems. Renewables however, are, and are also recycle-able on top of that.
@anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce @blogdiva I've been ruminating as of late on how close Malthusian nihilism is to racism. This is not to cast aspersions or make accusations regarding thread participants; it's just a thought.
Malthusian math (which is disproven, or at least, claims to prove more than it can because several of its assumptions were upended by new technological breakthroughs) indicates some people have to die or the entire population dies.
But then you're left with the problem that nobody wants to die, and racism steps in to provide a framework that lets people rank the quality of other human beings to let them square that cognitive dissonance off.
It may be an interesting dynamic, but I haven't done nearly enough thinking or research on the subject to endorse it as anything more than a thought.
@mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva
nihilists on the left are the same as sadists on the right. in the intentional or unintentional effects of their arguments
if not merely their arguments being slight tweaks on the arguments racist mass murderers make on the right, when you examine the substance of their arguments
which makes you wonder about such empty turds supposedly "on the left"
malthusianism is eugenics which is always founded on racism.
if you agree with anything malthusian, i would suggest going into cult deprogramming therapy.
malthusianism ―like eugenics, like racism, like capitalism― is a death cult.
@blogdiva I don't usually go for absolutes, but this one I'm fairly certain proves true in practice. @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce
@blogdiva We all know it , but I need to spell it out: Trumps fixation on "Winners" and "Losers" comes from this view that the riches of the world is a fixed cache. If somebody gets more, it means that he is the loser, and losers are the worst. On the other hand if somebody else loses, it means that he is winning (even when he is objectively worse off himself). 1/2 @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce
@blogdiva
That's a twisted take on Malthus, but Malthus' world-view will lead you pretty close to Trumps. Actually *adding* value is a foreign concept to that guy. Malthus of course was not *that* stupid, but he was closer to Trump than to the sane view, which is that we can create more out of what we have, by working *together*, and we can practice and learn (together!), and get better at it as time passes. @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce
@hakona @blogdiva @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell
there's a better agument:
fuck malthus and avoid any pathetic snake who makes even mathus-adjacent arguments
they are essentially the same as the worst of the far right, but don't know it, don't care, or are evolving into that and are on their way to becoming a far right goon
@benroyce @mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you.
I think I prefer clowns and Jokers...
