@benroyce I wish EU and Ukraine would declare war on Hungary, but on second thought, no, I don't want that either. But maybe they should be kicked out of some organizations, organizations they seem to be trying to sabotage, anyway.

@lori

oh yes

if hungary does nasty things to keep orban in power, they need to be kicked out of the eu

if they are not kicked out, the eu is facing weakening and fragmentation

i don't understand how easy or difficult it is for the eu to kick hungary out

but it doesn't change the point:

if the eu can't kick hungary out if hungary abandons democracy, we are looking at a darker timeline coming up, even darker than the one we are already in

@JohnnieMac

both approaches have benefits and problems