@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.

@evan @fabio Fabio is right. Expatriate is a term that spun out of white colonizers living in the other parts of the world, where they have no intention of becoming a part of the society, including accepting citizenship.

Would most people call Jamaican temporary foreign workers on Canadian farms that are treated as slave labour "expats"?

When I went to China to work, was I a Canadian expat? Would I be considered one from the lens of a Chinese national vs a Canadian? The place where I was born is a part of China now. I don't even know what my rights are anymore with regards to my birth place. I'm a Canadian citizen.

Expatriate is a term that's drowning in class, racism, and white colonial history. Perhaps you should reconsider its use.

@mayintoronto @evan @fabio Just chiming in that I also agree that expat is a bad word and you should consider not using it.

I call myself an immigrant from Brazil. People call themseves immigrants from a country, the government refers to us refers to us as immigrants.

We’re not expats.

Thanks for coming to my talk.

@mayintoronto @fabio Great, you should definitely make that poll!

@evan I'm asking you to reconsider your position on the term "expatriate", and to perhaps refrain from using it in this context in the future.

I don't care about the poll itself, since I know that editing is not an option.

@fabio

@mayintoronto @fabio Duly noted!

@evan @fabio I appreciate you both.

@renata @mayintoronto @fabio Expatriate is a problem in a context, and I am not using it in that context.

@renata @mayintoronto @fabio also, as far as I can tell with some quick searching, Brazilian emigrants are in fact called "immigrants" even in Brazil. There's definitely a good research paper in that!

@evan I personally use “immigrant” on purpose since I’m white-presenting and work in tech. It’s an attempt to buck the trend of using this word for a particular kind of immigration (the kind some people don’t want).

I emigrated from Brazil because I wanted to and I acknowledge I had the privilege to do it. Many people in my position would call themselves something else.

Again, this is not meant to cause drama or unnecessary discussion, it’s a personal position!

@fabio Do you use "immigrant" here in Canada? I've never heard a Brazilian here call themselves an expatriate. I've also never seen anyone use anything but "immigrant" in French to describe themselves.

Do you use "imigrante" to describe yourself in Brazil?

@evan Yes to all! There’s also a thing about “imigrante” in Brazil that requires some explanation:

Brazil is not as diverse as it thinks it is - especially compared to Canada. There’s a certain fascination with foreigners there, everyone asks dozens of questions. It becomes a bit of a status symbol because it validates the idea that Brazil is good, actually - so much so that some people *choose* to live there.

@fabio I meant the use of "imigrante" to describe Brazilian citizens living in other countries.

@evan I get it, but everything is related. Brazil is a weird place, worth visiting.

@evan But yes, e.g. my mom says “Fabio immigrated to Canada, he’s an immigrant there”

@evan @renata @mayintoronto For the record, I know. It wasn’t my intention to cause any drama and I enjoy the polls a lot.

@fabio @renata @mayintoronto No hard feelings! It's an interesting discussion to have.