@benroyce Yeah, I agree with all that. The only thing I really disagree with you on is calling the Democrats left-wing. I'd allow "center-left" but I'd still strongly disagree with that categorisation, they are center-right. Just being less right wing than the Nazis doesn't make them left, it just makes them less right.

@StarkRG

there is an ideological center and two parties to either side of it

that this is all much further right than we both want has no meaning. there is a left, because it is the left-er choice

to make it further left, we show up, we sustain, we iterate

there is no other option, and bemoaning things are so far right has no effective or actionable point, and in fact leads to inaction and stasis

it is like this, because the left doesn't fucking vote

@suzannealdrich @benroyce @StarkRG

At this point, I believe that if we just nudge the Overton window slightly more to the right, it will snap around to extreme left.

Looking from an European PoV, the politics in the US has always been a choice between "far right" and “extreme right”.

@airwhale @suzannealdrich @StarkRG

you could say the same about saudi arabia

you might also say that saudi arabia, to move further left, needs to iterate and sustain and inch it's way gradually left

to simply observe the saudi left is further right than the right in europe has no *functional* meaning. it's just looking at the globe and making comparisons that have no impact

well, the same is true of the usa. and it moves further right because the left just can't fucking be bothered to vote

@benroyce @suzannealdrich @StarkRG

Yes, it all needs to be considered within its own context.

@airwhale @suzannealdrich @StarkRG

functionally

your words are valid and true, but more of a structural observation than a functional prescription

to move the usa further left we have to vote, sustain, iterate

it's grueling and a joyless chore, and the payoff is far away

and many people get turned off by that